What is aimed at in ""speaking and listening"" educational research of Japanese language education? In ""speaking and listening"" educational research of Japanese language education, I took up some papers considered to be typical, and considered how the educational target is discussed in each paper. In traditional ""speaking and listening"" educational research, the learner who can make an appropriate and just judgment, without being influenced by a direct desire, direct will, and feeling aims. The capability to perform appropriate judgment was understood to be able to communicate, and rhetoric was asked for the basis of judgment. However, I think that the thought of ""speaking and listening"" education is not in Logic, but is in clinical philosophy, phenomenology, or cultural anthropology. The target and the curriculum of future ""speaking and listening"" education must be constructed through examination of the thought which had a ""fresh"" character of a man in the core who generates new learning, while being seriously damaged.